Dellingr-SG-meeting-2019-02-19

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Dellingr Steering Group meeting

Time: 2019-02-19 09:00-11:00 CET

Place: https://cscfi.zoom.us/j/9917669499

Live minutes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12ed5WmzaU1US2hmfRwHDwJqa1t2Qs2KhRAbNNwUhn5E/edit?usp=sharing

Invitations:

  • Kurt Gammelgaard Nielsen, DK
  • Per-Olov Hammargren, SE
  • Heta Koski, FI
  • Ebba Þóra Hvannberg, IS
  • Ivar Koppel, EE
  • Hans Eide, NO (Observer)
  • Tomasz Malkiewicz, NeIC, Project owner
  • John White, NeIC, Project manager

Agenda

19-1-1 Presence, approval of the agenda (TM, for decision) 5'

19-1-2 Project status (JW, for information) 15'

19-1-3 Deliverables

DO4

"User authentication, authorization and accounting"

  • April 2019
  • Input on authentication from NLPL, Glenna and Tryggve projects.
  • eIDAS and NOBID project. We have a contact to talk to.
    • "Analysis of eIDAS regulation implication"

DO5

"Resource exchange implementation and agreement"

  • We will try to have ready for March 2019 rather than April.
    • Can be presented to EY NO again for opinion.

DO6

"Nordic availability of shared resources"

  • The Cross-Border Resource sharing service preparations linked to this Deliverable.
  • Test will start with international users from MAX IV to access resources in SE (Aurora)
    • "Friendly" group
  • Proposal to test invoicing in the Waldur system
    • Providers, that are able, can issue invoice to NeIC.
    • Exercise the VAT issues.

19-1-4 Forum of National HPC Providers (JW, for information) 15'

Summary of meeting

Deliverables

DO7

  • Document written. Need to generate some conclusions.

DO9

  • Need to find good time to present results to NT1.

19-1-5 Status of NO in Dellingr (TM, for information)

19-1-6 NLPL and Dellingr (JW, TM, for information)

  • NLPL will end at the end of the year.
  • Can Dellingr provide "administrative" level solutions to access to resources?
  • Can we exercise Waldur with (or installed on?) Taito/Abel/C1?

19-1-7 Dellingr future (TM, for information)

  • Benefit realisation
  • EOSC-Nordic
  • NeIC Open call

19-1-8 Next meetings (TM, for decision) 5'

  • 27.05., 10 a.m. CET online meeting

19-1-9 AOB 5'

Minutes

19-1-1 Presence, approval of the agenda (TM, for decision) 5'

Presence:

  • Kurt Gammelgaard Nielsen, DK
  • Per-Olov Hammargren, SE
  • Heta Koski, FI
  • Ebba Þóra Hvannberg, IS
  • Ivar Koppel, EE
  • Hans Eide, NO (Observer)
  • Tomasz Malkiewicz, NeIC, Project owner
  • John White, NeIC, Project manager
  • Agenda approved.

19-1-2 Project status (JW, for information) 15'

Comment: Credit to to Hans Eide for helping with NO for DO7.

19-1-3 Deliverables

DO4

"User authentication, authorization and accounting"

  • April 2019
  • Input on authentication from NLPL, Glenna and Tryggve projects.
  • eIDAS and NOBID project. We have a contact to talk to.
    • "Analysis of eIDAS regulation implication"

Comment: AAI is closely linked to the "right to use" services. CSC checks the right to use by checking the user affiliation. There is a contract with the ministry on who does actually have the rights.

Question: How does eIDAS affect associated countries in H2020 projects? At ESFRI/EOSC is a AAI big subject. Answer: eIDAS is bigger than academic projects. Fundamental identity law e.g. all public services.

DO5

"Resource exchange implementation and agreement"

  • We will try to have ready for March 2019 rather than April.
    • Can be presented to EY NO again for opinion.

Question: Will the EY (NO) be able to give an answer on Nordic VAT as a whole?

Answer: It was only through the Olso EY office. They use experts from other countries. We should be able to get an answer once we can present our model to them.

Decision: PM to coordinate contact with EY.

DO6

"Nordic availability of shared resources"

  • The Cross-Border Resource sharing service preparations linked to this Deliverable.
  • Test will start with international users from MAX IV to access resources in SE (Aurora)
    • "Friendly" group
  • Proposal to test invoicing in the Waldur system
    • Providers, that are able, can issue invoice to NeIC.
    • Exercise the VAT issues.

Comment: The tests of Waldur, is this taking too much time and resources? (The finance for this work comes not just from Dellingr).

Comment: Waldur has been an established platform installed to DeiC servers. Denmark can contribute effort if needed. Rene allocated to working Waldur.

19-1-4 Forum of National HPC Providers (JW, for information) 15'

Summary of meeting

No comments...

Deliverables

DO7

  • Document written. Need to generate some conclusions.

DO9

  • Need to find good time to present results to NT1.

19-1-5 Status of NO in Dellingr (TM, for information)

Comment from NO: Sharing CPU hours difficult. But harmonizing with procedures useful for other cooperations. Important for Nordics.

Decision: Invite NO (Hans) to next High-level meeting (send the Doodle poll).

19-1-6 NLPL and Dellingr (JW, TM, for information)

  • NLPL will end at the end of the year.
  • Can Dellingr provide "administrative" level solutions to access to resources?
  • Can we exercise Waldur with (or installed on?) Taito/Abel/C1?

Question: Dellingr also ends in one year. Is there effort to build services? Will it detract from effort?

This should not detract from our effort. It will be up to NLPL providers to register resources and then the procedures in the framework are in place for users to get access.

Comment: NLPL ends in end of 2019. We are only here to help them test.

19-1-7 Dellingr future (TM, for information)

  • Benefit realisation
    • Not yet.
  • EOSC-Nordic
    • We should assume EOSC-Nordic is fully granted... late summer 2019 start.
    • EOSC-Nordic does more in policies, legal issues etc. Roles, responsibilities.
    • Do we have overlap with Dellingr?
    • In general, with policy level issues... these are present in any cross-border collaboration framework. No one has done any major progress here.

Comment: The board is the place for projects to be discussed and prioritized.

  • What to apply?

Comment: Concentrate on more technical aspects.

In EOSC-Nordic resources are spread thinly. Lots of PMs on a lot of actors...

Comment: The Dellingr should run next to the EOSC-Nordic activity. For high-level items, the list of most important subjects is ready.

Decision: Bring to the NeIC board.... Stratgey: is another proposal in the resource-sharing area wanted/feasible?

19-1-8 Next meetings (TM, for decision) 5'

  • 27.05., 10 a.m. CET

19-1-9 AOB 5'

None.

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