Dellingr-SG-meeting-2018-09-25
Dellingr Steering Group meeting
Time: 2018-09-25 09:30-11:30 CEST
Place: https://cscfi.zoom.us/j/9917669499
Live minutes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12ed5WmzaU1US2hmfRwHDwJqa1t2Qs2KhRAbNNwUhn5E/edit?usp=sharing
Invitations:
- Kurt Gammelgaard Nielsen, DK
- Per-Olov Hammargren, SE
- Heta Koski, FI
- Ebba Þóra Hvannberg, IS
- Ivar Koppel, EE
- Jørn Amundsen, NO (Observer)
- Tomasz Malkiewicz, NeIC, Project owner
- John White, NeIC, Project manager
Agenda :
18-4-1 Presence, approval of the agenda (TM, for decision) 5'
18-4-2 Project status (JW, for information) 15'
Project works well. Regular meetings at:
https://wiki.neic.no/int/Category:Dellingr_team_minutes
Attendance good.
Project plan updated after last meeting to version 2.9
DO3
Pilot projects: NLPL and additional pilots
Document mostly written. Summary to go... in work at this moment.
DO5
"Resource exchange implementation and agreement"
No link yet... Anders would like to get started on DO5. Will make an overleaf skeleton of the document.
We must consider the impact that the GDPR has on the sharing conditions.
DO2
First draft sent to the SG for comments/impressions on 2018/09/19. Some useful comments received already.
Preparations for second pilot
Testing exchange framework in the Nordics
Waldur progressing... AAI in place, metadata in place, login as user or SP.
Can we generate an acceptable (by all) digitally signed PDF?
We have a proposal for the naming of this activity (2018/09/24) (Ilja),
"MVP Minimal Viable Product (MVP) of Cross-Border Resource sharing service."
18-4-3 High-level track deliverable (JW, for information) 15'
DO7
High-level track deliverable:
Establishment of high level information exchange mechanisms
Document underway... Discussed the scope of, especially the "Cloud", resources to be included in the inventory. Converged on "a computing resource that is available through the national provider mechanisms" ... "A resource that COULD qualify to be in a Dellingr pilot".
i.e. Don't want to count every little private closet installation.
DO9
"Support in enabling NT1 resource exchange"
Meeting with Mattias (NT1) on 2018/09/12. Agreed that Dellingr will produce a set of calculations, based on the CSC BU formula. These will give the number of core-hours to replace the "missing" storage. Present to the NT1 consortium sometime later this year.
18-4-4 Resources for the second pilot (JW, for discussion) 15'
Finland and Estonia responded (0.5 and 1??)M core-hours.
DK,SE under discussions
IS also.
18-4-5 VAT Assessment (JW, for discussion) 15'
link to the EY report.
Has been around since Dellingr phase 1.
Given to the project group to read (April 3rd 2018).
Should schedule a meeting once we can present our model to share resources.
Propose to schedule a face to face meeting once the "Testing exchange framework in the Nordics" (second pilot) is launched.
18-4-6 Partners' contributions to the project (JW, for information) 10'
Revised effort for the project: this link. The effort indicated is in person-months. The Gantt chart tries to show the logical progression and relation of the deliverables to each other.
18-4-7 Continuation, change or interruption of the Dellingr project (TM, for decision) 5'
- Fixed SG agenda item, if no input received to this point 1 week prior to the meeting, it is to be removed from the meeting's agenda
- Decision proposal: have it tentative, sent with draft agenda 2 weeks prior to the SG meeting. If no contribution/input - it is to be removed from the final agenda
18-4-8 INFRAEOSC-5-(b) call (TM, for discussion) 15'
Dellingr project has Ilja on the editing team. We are informed if anything needs to be done... so far have had meeting before holidays with Damian Lecarpentier. Aware that Dellingr will be a use-case.
18-4-9 Next meetings (TM, for decision) 5'
18-4-10 AOB 5'
Minutes
18-4-1 Presence, approval of the agenda (TM, for decision) 5'
Presence: John (NeIC), Tomasz (NeIC), Per-Olov (SNIC), Heta (CSC), Kurt (DeIC), Ebba (RHNET), Jorn (Uninett, observer), , Ivar (ETAIS) Rob (NeIC).
The agenda is approved.
18-4-2 Project status (JW, for information) 15'
https://wiki.neic.no/int/Category:Dellingr_team_minutes
DO3
No questions or comments noted in the live minutes.
No problems.
DO5
No questions or comments noted in the live minutes.
No problems.
DO2
Comment: Heta: For DO2 it would be worth also listing in a Table the resources that are actually used (consumed) in a similar manner to Table 1.
(Accepted)
Preparations for second pilot
https://share.neic.no/#/login/
Question (Heta) Will the page share.neic.no respect the privacy and also send the correct information so that we can do the resource allocation?
Yes... we will provide the privacy policy that will satisfy each country and also the GDPR. Will store no information on Waldur.
Comment(Per-Olov): Signed PDF being looked into... forwarded to our legal people.
18-4-3 High-level track deliverable (JW, for information) 15'
DO7
https://wiki.neic.no/int/Dellingr_DO7_page
DO9
"Support in enabling NT1 resource exchange"
Question(??): Will this be used for general resource calculations? i.e. Not just for NT1?
Answer: Yes... this formula could be used for billing unit calculations. Ilja has investigated other models (from DK and EST).
18-4-4 Resources for the second pilot (JW, for discussion) 15'
SE: HPC/Cloud... Anders can give resources. But we still need to check what is available.
DK: Still in discussion... We don't know the HPC resources for next year. Not able to commit right now.
FI: We are renewing our HPC next year... So a pilot in Oct 2018 to sometime in 2109 could be preferable?
Comment(Tomasz): We don't want to rush the pilot.
Comment(Tomasz) Estonia offers resources... we need 2.5 more than on offer. Prefer to have larger block of core-hours. Rather than many smaller allocations.
Comment(Per-Olov): We are still discussing in SE.
18-4-5 VAT Assessment (JW, for discussion) 15'
https://wiki.neic.no/int/Dellingr#Documents
Question(Per-Olov): Are they experts? I remember we used the EY office in Olso. Do they have legal expertise of all countries? How about the time frame? Additional costs?
Tomasz: Yes, they should arrange the legal expertise. Mainly work with private companies. Some experience with academia. We are expecting them to comment on our model.
Jorn: I see there is old information about sigma2. We need to send some new information.
(We need to check here... is there an action point to check this EY report for correctness of the description of each partner?)
18-4-6 Partners' contributions to the project (JW, for information) 10'
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qd-xlR0b3N2wx5jkO__bjSEnul8Te_Tk064xd03Q9k4/
No comments/questions noted.
18-4-7 Continuation, change or interruption of the Dellingr project (TM, for decision) 5'
The project continues as planned.
18-4-8 INFRAEOSC-5-(b) call (TM, for discussion) 15'
Comment(Per-Olov) I am also on the editing team. Also Rob Pennington on the team. The new name is now EOSC-Nordic
Tomasz: Dellingr expected to play a role in WP2 governance. Also WP5 use-cases.. connected to the Deep dive, Glenna. For example the accounting and billing units (BU).
Per-Olov: I am also a task leader in WP2 for EOSC-Nordic
Tomasz: WP5 (use cases) moving quite fast. But currently no concrete items for Dellingr.
Comment (John): This is an item on our weekly meeting agenda. If there is anything to be done then Ilja can inform us.
18-4-9 Next meetings (TM, for decision) 5'
Thursday November 29th 09h00 - 10h30 CET
Tomasz We though to co-locate with a high-level track meeting?
18-4-10 AOB 5'
Per-Olov: We prefer (in SNIC) to get some materials ahead of time.
Tomasz: We go for the drat agenda two weeks ahead and then one week ahead final agenda.