NeIC Conference 2013: Report on "Cloud Computing - Opportunities and Challenges"

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"Towards the clouds, together. Collaboration on cloud services in research and education" (Andres Steijaert)

End User Push

30 % of world population online

In 8 years Internet information increased by 50 x


Dropbox, Skydrive

Users will choose the simplest path

Distribution changed due to cloud: no supply chain.

Fast delivery.

Rapid updates, elastic

We need open online collaboration

Geant good example of sharing

Multiple vendors

SUNET Box service

Okeanos

“A Tale of Two Clouds” prevent vendor looking

Europe 50 million users

List of cloud service via SURF Work together

Patriot Act can “obtain” data in Europe in all American companies

Data classification in the Netherlands

Template to cloud sourcing

Checklist for contractual agreements (Audit)

"Nordic Opportunities for Cloud Software Collaboration" (Ivan Porres)

Cloud software Program 2010—2013 in Finland

29 partners (industry, academia etc).

Industry products -> services

More competitive Finnish industry

1. Cloud business 2. Cloud technologies 3. Lean and Agile Software Enterprise

Now last year

Yearly stages

Meets 4 times a year + workshops etc.

Business results so far:

Big companies have started internal processes Several new cloud service concepts demonstrators New ecosystem being formed Research results

www.cloudsoftwareprogram.org.

"~okeanos and Synnefo: The public cloud service and the open source software that powers it" (Vangelis Koukis)

How to deliverer cloud services?

Brokering between 3rd party cloud

Build own solution

Bringing the vendor into the datacenter

Propiarotory or commodity HW

Where do the data reside?

Costs per VM?


Providing cloud services is a tough engineering job

Different layers

Many technologies

Skill sets

VM are not cattle they are pets

User frustrated

Need reliable efficient live VM migration

Our choices.

Build own

Own the engineering

Open source

Production quality IaaS

Persistent VMs

Commodity HW – NO SAN

Large scale Installations

Super simple UI.

History

Design started 2010 Production July 2011

Users > 3500

VM > 4600

500000 VMS spawned

10 compute cluster in production

Software:

Synnefo:

Based on standards like Google Geneti

Cluster vs. Cloud

Openstack

Many software layers

Integrated Compute and Storage

Identity – multiple methods

Quotas

Projects

Operations

Rolling upgrades

Cross datacenter move, Intel -> AMD, etc.

IP renumbering

www.synnefo.org

Panel Discussion

PÖ: Services on the internet ….What is new?

AS: Users have a choice Use Amazon, we have to do better

Mikael Grönager: Give user credit card Use commercial services

Why build academic network? The same for cloud

SN: Do we build our own power plants?

It is the service around that create value.

Q: competition vs. standardization: cloud simple because of no standardization Competition may make it so complicated

VK: No one wants the complexity of the grid brought back to the cloud

SN: Big vendors refuse standards since they like to lock-in users.

Q: Is there risk for that all need the peak at the same time in the research?

SN: Paying would solve that. We can go to commercial providers.

Real experience in the failures. This makes us different from commercial vendors.

IP: Sharing is required to get public funding

Q: Standardizing storage interface big failure in the Grid world. How do we avoid the same again?

SN: Standardize to early, or too late

Standard process: light enough to handle failure

End-users interested- fit with the way they working Needed intermediates that hide details. Flexibility for the users.

Voice of the users missing in the panel.

Q: users grid middleware. Focus on users- Find out what users want! Salman: it also the administrator

PÖ: companies connecting and use lean and agile development with cloud What can we learn from that?

We can learn a lot from the interaction with the user

Session Summary

Lessons Learned

  • Don't repeat the mistakes from the Grid with very complex software.

Future Directions

  • Users in academia will use the cloud whatever happens.
  • Organisations have the chance to adopt strategies now.

Opportunities

  • Opportunity for a Nordic cloud industry
  • Opportunity for academia to use cloud resources with all the advantages with cloud.