Dellingr-SG-meeting-2019-05-27

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Dellingr Steering Group meeting

Time: 2019-05-27 10:00-12:00 CEST

Place: https://cscfi.zoom.us/j/9917669499

Live minutes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12ed5WmzaU1US2hmfRwHDwJqa1t2Qs2KhRAbNNwUhn5E/edit?usp=sharing

Invitations:

  • Kurt Gammelgaard Nielsen, DK
  • Per-Olov Hammargren, SE
  • Heta Koski, FI
  • Ebba Þóra Hvannberg, IS
  • Ivar Koppel, EE
  • Hans Eide, NO (Observer)
  • Tomasz Malkiewicz, NeIC, Project owner
  • John White, NeIC, Project manager

Agenda

19-2-1 Presence, approval of the agenda (TM, for decision) 5'

Per-Olov Hammargren replaced by Lars-Owe Ivarsson.

19-2-2 Project status (JW, for information) 15'

  • Project works well.

DO4

"User authentication, authorization and accounting"

  • Moved to mid-June 2019
  • We provide input to and get advice from MyAcademicID project.
  • Will attend the meeting on Monday June 3rd in Stockholm (SUNET)
  • Input on authentication from NLPL, Glenna and Tryggve projects.
  • Document underway.

DO5

"Resource exchange implementation and agreement"

  • Document sent to the SG on May 2nd
  • No comments received. Approved?
  • Discussion?
  • Important: Sharing proposal and VAT issues.
  • If we can get this approved, can we now schedule the second EY (NO) meeting after summer?

DO6

"Nordic availability of shared resources"

  • The Cross-Border Resource sharing service preparations linked to this Deliverable.
  • MAX IV users still to be accommodated.

DO7

"Nordic HPC/Cloud Inventory"

  • Presented to the Dellingr Forum of National Providers on May 15th.
  • Approval by the SG to move to the public page?

DO9

"Support in enabling NT1 resource exchange"

  • Presented to the Dellingr Forum of National Providers on May 15th.
  • Agreed with Mattias to present to the NLCG in August 2019
  • Approved as "done" after this?

19-2-3 Forum of National HPC Providers (JW, for information) 15'

  • FtF meeting at the NeIC 2019 conference on May 15th.

Summary of meeting

  • Good meeting, some absences but also some "additions"

DO7

  • Document written. Approval by the SG?

DO8

  • "An open long-term plan for coordinating acquisitions" moved to "Common collaboration on acquisition strategy"
  • Arrange a FtF workshop in October/November 2019

DO9

  • Need to find good time to present results to NT1. See above.

19-2-4 Status of NO in Dellingr (TM, for information)

19-2-5 NLPL and Dellingr (JW, TM, for information)

  • NLPL will end at the end of the year.
  • Can Dellingr provide "administrative" level solutions to access to resources?
  • Can we exercise Waldur with (or installed on?) Taito/Abel/C1?

19-2-6 Dellingr future (JW & TM, for information)

19-2-7 Next meetings (TM, for decision) 5'

  • Proposal...

19-2-8 AOB 5'

Minutes

19-2-1 Presence, approval of the agenda (TM, for decision) 5'

Present;

  • Kurt Gammelgaard Nielsen, DK
  • Lars-Owe Ivarsson, SE
  • Heta Koski, FI
  • Ebba Þóra Hvannberg, IS
  • Ivar Koppel, EE
  • Hans A. Eide, NO (Observer)
  • Tomasz Malkiewicz, NeIC, Project owner
  • John White, NeIC, Project manager

Addition to the agenda: AOB item: DK contribution to ongoing Dellingr test

Agenda approved.

19-2-2 Project status (JW, for information) 15'

Question on how are the preparations for the pilot are going. (will see later in agenda)

The pilot has been announced to the PG and SG. Three users so far. Need this publicized more. For policy decisions we cannot reply wholly on the PG. Some help from SG an HLT (FNP). NeIC has an independent consultant when need legal opinion. Might even be able to use the same expert. GDPR issues and data. There is the “EY” question. Useful discussion need to identify the bottlenecks?

The VAT was an issue when considering the FI request to exchange resources. From the EY report was saw that by using the same resource pool model as PRACE solves the problem. What is more difficult is the GDPR issue. Also for local sensitive data regulations. Could be considered solved through the pool method.

If we are to export services we need to know how to a value. We have looked at resources value in earlier documents.

Commenting on the advertisement of the second test of resource-sharing framework. All providers have plans to publicize the test. Norway will not advertise directly but NO researchers can access the framework/text/resources through NeIC. No providers have asked to advertise through their research council.

Action: JW: Send DO5 and DO7 to the SG for approval.

19-2-3 Forum of National HPC Providers (JW, for information)

For the planned workshop in October/November, this will require mainly the procurement experts primarily. May not need to bother SG members too much? Location, somewhere "central". Helsinki? Note that EuroPHC Lumi decision around June 7th.

Action: JW: Start the procedure for the FtF meeting. Assuming EuroHPC decision on June 7th.

19-2-4 Status of NO in Dellingr (TM, for information)

NO: Same as last time. No point in joining for the last bits.

19-2-5 NLPL and Dellingr (JW, TM, for information)

Comment that Waldur could be used by NLPL for accounting and resource availability. At the moment the procedures are very manual. See https://wiki.neic.no/w/ext/img_auth.php/8/8c/Dellingr-DO3-final.pdf

19-2-6 Dellingr future (JW & TM, for information)

Comments from providers... not much enthusiasm to continue with this proposal as-is.

Suggestion to join with the CSC effort for similar proposal linked to Lumi. Contact the relevant people at CSC.

19-2-7 Next meetings (TM, for decision) 5'

  • Friday September 27th 10h00 -12h00 CEST - online meeting

19-2-8 AOB 5'

  • DK contribution to ongoing Dellingr test. Matching contributions to come 500 k core-hours
  • Heta moving on from CSC. Tentatively: Jussi Heikonen to replace Heta as a Dellingr Steering Group member
  • Dellingr Steering Group minutes approval period: Decision: 1 week for approval of the minutes is enough
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